Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

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Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by byfjunarn » 18 May 2010 08:40

Hello guys! I just started playing for LP's to get as close to the top as possible. Then i noticed that the top10 showing in my TMNF game actually are players from TMUF that can get to 100k points much easier (at least it seems like it). Why have Nadeo decided to have TMNF and TMUF ladder merged? :S it's not even close to the same game if you think about it. united has it's different "stages" that the players need to be good at etc. While TMNF is only stadium. You guys understand what im getting at...

Here's some images to better describe this for the ones of you that dont understand:
All these players are from the united ladder:
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(It looks like it's much easier to get 90k+ in TMUF. maybe no 90k+ server to wait until saturdays so u can farm ur LP all week long if u want to?)

And here they are again in my TMNF gamewindow:
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(I think United and Nations shouldn't have a merged ladder if one of the games are easier to get more points at.)

Here's A picture of the nr1 ranked player in BOTH TMUF and TMNF:
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(Ranked nr1 in both? pff... he's only got 18.6k at stadium, he get points from all different enviroments and thus he can reach 100k, not from playing at a RoC server... therefore he should not be in the same ladder as TMNF -.-)

Here's A pic showing top players in the stadium enviroment:
(original enviroment for TMNF)
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(None of them can reach much more than 91-92k cause the 80-100k server is only up like... 2hrs / week? :S)

Here's a person who has only TMNF and again... impossible to reach much more than 91-92k:
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So... if the TMNF people dont buy the TMUF and play united instead of nations they shouldn't be able to reach the top10 ladder showing in Nations ever? sounds kinda lame to me. Separate the ladders if different rules applies to the both of them.. or simply just make it as easy for nations players to get those last 1000's of LP's required for the top10.

Now, i might just be imagining this, maybe i haven't read enough forum posts or something but got kinda tired of reading practically all posts ever since the search function is kinda bad. so if i am wrong about something in this post someone plz explain to me how it works.

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by Paris69 » 18 May 2010 10:25

byfjunarn wrote:he get points from all different enviroments and thus he can reach 100k, not from playing at a RoC server
this thing (not 100% sure now, but...) is not true.

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by tcq » 18 May 2010 13:21

byfjunarn wrote:he get points from all different enviroments and thus he can reach 100k, not from playing at a RoC server
This is so wrong, but i try to explain it for you.
Sure you can get in stadium (one envi. ) up to 100k. But in united you have about 6 additionally envis, which are all together in maximum 100k
TMNF: 100k = Stadium
TMUF: 100k= stadium+rally+desert+snow+coast+island+bay

So you can't break the 100k, with getting points in all environments.

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by Gekko » 18 May 2010 14:17

I hope Nadeo Team don't do again the big error to divide the players or TM2 will die before it born.
Never do a classification of players dividing them!!! 8)

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by Frostbeule » 18 May 2010 14:47

TMUF and TMNF is already divided, it's always been like that. you know why? coz it's 2 different games.

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by tcq » 18 May 2010 15:17

Frostbeule wrote:TMUF and TMNF is already divided, it's always been like that. you know why? coz it's 2 different games.
Go play your demo. ...
It's not two different games, it is one version with more content and one without, but still possible to play together on stadium servers. And even the ladder is the same, so where the hell do you get the conclusion that this games are different?

TMUF is a magnitude which contains TMNF.

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by Frostbeule » 18 May 2010 16:39

well you can continue being ignorant if you want to. the fact remains that TMNF is a game on its own with its own community. and it's much much larger than the community of TMUF. that being said, i have no problem if you prefer TMUF over TMNF. it's a matter of opinion. it's important to respect each other. you should try that tcq.

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by Racefox'Manfred » 18 May 2010 18:46

Go and play TMUF.
I see TMNF as a Demo-version and TMUF as the full game, so it is all ok that those players from TMUF are allowed to get more points.

So I can only say one thing to you:
Maybe you should lern the other environments? It should be easy for you. ;)
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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by Frostbeule » 18 May 2010 19:46

Racefox'Manfred wrote:Go and play TMUF.
I see TMNF as a Demo-version and TMUF as the full game, so it is all ok that those players from TMUF are allowed to get more points.

So I can only say one thing to you:
Maybe you should lern the other environments? It should be easy for you. ;)
If you would have have looked to the right you would have seen that I actually have played United. However I found out it wasn't the game for me so I decided to just keep the United-key and stay with TMNF, so I have all the features you have aswell. The other environments are really ALOT different from Stadium, which put me off quite a bit. TMN was actually built for ESWC and e-sports in mind, before United came out. So saying it's a demo is just completely wrong. It's a game that stands on its own feet, and it has its own community and sub-communities such as Dirt, Speed and RPG.

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by byfjunarn » 18 May 2010 21:51

Thanks for all the replies. Starting to get some clue about how things work. Didn't care at first and i actually dont care much now.. was just curious. But saying that TMUF and TMNF is practically the same game is like saying that lets say counter strike 1.6 and source is the same, or LOTR and WoW is the same.. quite similar but still totally different. and for "It's not two different games, it is one version with more content and one without, but still possible to play together on stadium servers." It's in my opinion two different games, one oldschool and one further developed that imo seems far from fun to play. Okay you can play with the Nation players but thats just because TMUF isn't good enough to have a big enough community to be on its own. If it would have been popular enough i dont think they would have merged the two and instead just drop TMNF in the dustbin. But many people won't pay that amount of money for a game that is experienced as totally different cause TMNF is good enough as it is.

Still i think that buying TMUF is great and i will do so myself pretty soon, not to play the game just to show my support to NADEO for creating TMNF which is a lovely game.

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by byfjunarn » 18 May 2010 21:57

Racefox'Manfred wrote:Go and play TMUF.
I see TMNF as a Demo-version and TMUF as the full game, so it is all ok that those players from TMUF are allowed to get more points.

So I can only say one thing to you:
Maybe you should lern the other environments? It should be easy for you. ;)
Lol.. if TMNF would have been a demo if would never have been merged with united. You know that there have been TMO, leading to TMN and then TMNF, why would you think that all those new releases to the game would be just demos for "the final release TMUF"? It's a start with a good game finally coming to perfection from TMO -> TMN -> TMNF.

I see the United as a way for NADEO to get some cash for their efforts with the first games.

So you're actually telling one of the - if not the world's greatest TMNF player to switch to TMUF? Why would he do that when he aswell as a very big part of the whole community dislikes the new environments?

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Post by tcq » 18 May 2010 22:21

Frostbeule wrote: If you would have have looked to the right you would have seen that I actually have played United. However I found out it wasn't the game for me so I decided to just keep the United-key and stay with TMNF, so I have all the features you have aswell. The other environments are really ALOT different from Stadium, which put me off quite a bit. TMN was actually built for ESWC and e-sports in mind, before United came out. So saying it's a demo is just completely wrong. It's a game that stands on its own feet, and it has its own community and sub-communities such as Dirt, Speed and RPG.
Just my opinion here. Maybe it wasn't your stuff could also be understand as "oh, i can't win money here" and better go back where all other players are, which sucked at united. Shouldn't be to offensive against you, i really respect you for beeing so awesome strong on tmn.
Frostbeule wrote:well you can continue being ignorant if you want to. the fact remains that TMNF is a game on its own with its own community. and it's much much larger than the community of TMUF. that being said, i have no problem if you prefer TMUF over TMNF. it's a matter of opinion. it's important to respect each other. you should try that tcq.
Sure i could try that, but i don't like the whole tmn players beeing ignorant for playing a game, which they didn't pay a cent for. I really appreciate that you buoght united and tried it, but the most of the other players just makes me angry. Why not try to fuse the community and get a bigger feedback for nadeo, which makes them also glade (e.g. getting a little bit money back?)
byfjunarn wrote:So you're actually telling one of the - if not the world's greatest TMNF player to switch to TMUF? Why would he do that when he aswell as a very big part of the whole community dislikes the new environments?
So you are actually think that TMN is an old environment? Remember, that there was first TMO, then TMS and after that there comes your great stadium. And stadium was only great, because it was for free. So don't talk so stupid please. And if you are talking about the big part of the whole community, you mean the guys and girls which took a free game, because they were to lazy to allow nadeo to get some money for the whole stuff?

Sorry for drifting into the offtopic, but i think this subject is hard to be discussed in a reasonable way and was also tried often to be discussed -_-

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by Frostbeule » 18 May 2010 22:41

Just my opinion here. Maybe it wasn't your stuff could also be understand as "oh, i can't win money here" and better go back where all other players are, which sucked at united. Shouldn't be to offensive against you, i really respect you for beeing so awesome strong on tmn.
I can assure you that I would not play the game unless i really liked it. the money is just a bonus, and it's like, even if you win something, chances are you won't get what you win. i have several tournaments who havent paid out their prizes, including ESWC. so yeah, i respect people who play TMUF and their skills at being good at several environments. I respect that, because I have done the same in other series such as Mario Kart and F-Zero which also consists of many different ways of playing. the other environments just wasn't what i expected. i don't know what else i can tell you.
Sure i could try that, but i don't like the whole tmn players beeing ignorant for playing a game, which they didn't pay a cent for. I really appreciate that you buoght united and tried it, but the most of the other players just makes me angry. Why not try to fuse the community and get a bigger feedback for nadeo, which makes them also glade (e.g. getting a little bit money back?)
I don't know which guys you are referring to, but in my opinion, the TMNF community is one of the nicest ones ive ever encountered. and then it's still a free game!. i just dont think you can fuse together a community that does not exist. i think nadeo maybe tried that when they added stadium in united, but it just didnt work out like that. i think mostly because Stadium is SO different from the other environments that it just makes it not possible.
So you are actually think that TMN is an old environment? Remember, that there was first TMO, then TMS and after that there comes your great stadium. And stadium was only great, because it was for free. So don't talk so stupid please. And if you are talking about the big part of the whole community, you mean the guys and girls which took a free game, because they were to lazy to allow nadeo to get some money for the whole stuff?
Are you forgetting the fact that Nadeo actually released the game for free on purpose? and fine, you don't like stadium, but that's just like, your opinion, man =). like i already wrote, try to be a bit more respectful.

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by Slig » 18 May 2010 22:54

byfjunarn wrote:Thanks for all the replies. Starting to get some clue about how things work. Didn't care at first and i actually dont care much now.. was just curious. But saying that TMUF and TMNF is practically the same game is like saying that lets say counter strike 1.6 and source is the same, or LOTR and WoW is the same..
That is just wrong : Stadium gameplay, maps blocks and maps are just exactly the same in TMUF and TMNF. TMUF "just" include 6 other complete environments, with each its own gameplay, maps blocks, and look, and also some general extra features. TMNF is a sub-part of TMUF.
There is no technical reason to make things different for Stadium specialists than for any other environment specialists.
The only real difference is the number of players, which is not caused by any difference of qualities but because Stadium is free in TMNF. And because of this huge difference in number of players, there is a community specific for Stadium.

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Re: Should TMNF and TMUF ladder really be merged?

Post by Frostbeule » 18 May 2010 23:58

Slig wrote:
byfjunarn wrote:Thanks for all the replies. Starting to get some clue about how things work. Didn't care at first and i actually dont care much now.. was just curious. But saying that TMUF and TMNF is practically the same game is like saying that lets say counter strike 1.6 and source is the same, or LOTR and WoW is the same..
That is just wrong : Stadium gameplay, maps blocks and maps are just exactly the same in TMUF and TMNF. TMUF "just" include 6 other complete environments, with each its own gameplay, maps blocks, and look, and also some general extra features. TMNF is a sub-part of TMUF.
There is no technical reason to make things different for Stadium specialists than for any other environment specialists.
The only real difference is the number of players, which is not caused by any difference of qualities but because Stadium is free in TMNF. And because of this huge difference in number of players, there is a community specific for Stadium.
well to you it's just a "sub-part", but you have to understand that that is not the case for many people. for me, TMNF is a stand-alone game firstly. and secondly, as a bonus, it's a part of United.

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