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Re: Problem on Insanity.RoC 100k server

Post by GAS.Panos » 26 Dec 2011 13:37

Well.... we need to make some things "clear", otherwise the laddermods that are still active, including me, will start to downgrade RoC servers IF you (RoC owners + admins) don't respect some basic rules !!!

Kicking or placing players in spectator mode are not accepted by any reason !! RoC servers MUST be public for everyone.

- If somebody spams, then it is advised to mute him/her instead of kicking / banning and this ONLY after you have made some warnings to behave themselves...
- Chatting during race is not illegal !! You should NOT mute people. There are plugins which can turn off chat bar (temporarily) during race. You are STRONGLY advised to active them.
- If somebody has reached the 80k limit then is in the power to participate in your RoC server, even if "this" will affect the amount of lps that you "all" will get at the end.
- If somebody has taken part in a race, BUT he is not driving, you are not in the position to kick / spec / or ban. Your RoC plugin "kick worst player(s)" will kick him/her at the end of the race.
- Look out often enough your player limit in your RoC servers. Anything else except 8, will make laddermods to take actions.

In any case, you can contact us (Laddermods) by IM explaining to us what have happened. Also you are advised to upload screenshots in this forum which will enforce the actions that have been taken against you.

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Re: Problem on Insanity.RoC 100k server

Post by Kripke » 26 Dec 2011 17:43

ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote:Well.... we need to make some things "clear", otherwise the laddermods that are still active, including me, will start to downgrade RoC servers IF you (RoC owners + admins) don't respect some basic rules !!!
Wow, where were you the last months?
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: Kicking or placing players in spectator mode are not accepted by any reason !! RoC servers MUST be public for everyone.
Add this Rule on the playerpage and I respect it, but I can deside as hoster for a server, If I kick, force to spec or ban somebody, these server are allready open for all. I never wrote on the other topic, that you get ban for writing "hello" or something else. But if somebody write "allways" ****, bitch, gay, etc. I will kick him, if you like or not. And if he comes back and starting this again, I will give him a (temp)ban.
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: - If somebody spams, then it is advised to mute him/her instead of kicking / banning and this ONLY after you have made some warnings to behave themselves...
Nothing to add.
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: - Chatting during race is not illegal !! You should NOT mute people. There are plugins which can turn off chat bar (temporarily) during race. You are STRONGLY advised to active them.
Of course there are still plugins for it, but I don't know what do you think if somebody write $w$o$i$f00VISIT MY SERVER FOR ROC or "delete" the chat with
$h$h
.
.
.
[30 lines later]
$h
I gave these guys a warn and still kick... and so on.
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: - If somebody has reached the 80k limit then is in the power to participate in your RoC server, even if "this" will affect the amount of lps that you "all" will get at the end.
I have nothing to add. I saw some servers, which kicked 80k players, because of his rank (if they finished or not)... oh, I remember, yesterday was kicked "Winni" 3times on 12 Gods (but does not made pictures -.- ), but you are Laddermod and know, what "public" is and the meaning of it :thumbsup:
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: - If somebody has taken part in a race, BUT he is not driving, you are not in the position to kick / spec / or ban. Your RoC plugin "kick worst player(s)" will kick him/her at the end of the race.
said who? If a player not driving a race, because he is afk or something else, he blocks a slot for a driver, which want to drive. So I can not see a different, if somebody is afk or I kick him to spec.
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: - Look out often enough your player limit in your RoC servers. Anything else except 8, will make laddermods to take actions.
nothing to add.
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: In any case, you can contact us (Laddermods) by IM explaining to us what have happened. Also you are advised to upload screenshots in this forum which will enforce the actions that have been taken against you.
:roflol:

Ok,
Zooz = inactive?
Buddl = still active in xfire?
TwoEagles = inactive?
Mat = inactive?
Basskid = going inactive?
you = ???

And if I forget one, then sry because a never see one of the other guys
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Re: Problem on Insanity.RoC 100k server

Post by Bueddl » 26 Dec 2011 17:50

Hey again,

so first, I am not inactive^^

Second one: the roc rules don't handle the behaviours like chatting, there is no need for this. Those depend on the server owner!

I aggree to your interpretation of the "public" keyword, so, it is not allowed to force someone to spec for bad reason, also not to kick or ban him.
Baning is also allowed for very good reasons, BUT there is no rule defining the procedure when a player can be banned.

Just to make this clear , so that there won't be any misunderstandings ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: Problem on Insanity.RoC 100k server

Post by GAS.Panos » 27 Dec 2011 15:37

Kripke wrote:
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: Kicking or placing players in spectator mode are not accepted by any reason !! RoC servers MUST be public for everyone.
Add this Rule on the playerpage and I respect it, but I can deside as hoster for a server, If I kick, force to spec or ban somebody, these server are allready open for all. I never wrote on the other topic, that you get ban for writing "hello" or something else. But if somebody write "allways" ****, bitch, gay, etc. I will kick him, if you like or not. And if he comes back and starting this again, I will give him a (temp)ban.
Like i said... Blacklisting is unacceptable for such reasons. You can Blacklist, if the player is listed as a cheater in Xymphs Official Mode Cheater... Or Ban people "temporarily" = 1 week
In any other reasons that you state, you can MUTE - simple as that ! I hope it is clear.
How many times have u seen for example Zooz to be afk ?? Did you kick him sometime ? What if i did that ? Would you kick me as well ? If yes, fair enough... BUT what if i had returned soon enough before the end of the map ? Would that be fair ?
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: - Chatting during race is not illegal !! You should NOT mute people. There are plugins which can turn off chat bar (temporarily) during race. You are STRONGLY advised to active them.
Kripke wrote: Of course there are still plugins for it, but I don't know what do you think if somebody write $w$o$i$f00VISIT MY SERVER FOR ROC or "delete" the chat with
$h$h
.
.
.
[30 lines later]
$h
I gave these guys a warn and still kick... and so on.
If you drive, then you can close chat bar, so you dont need to care what is going on during you are racing... If you dont and you are one of the admins then you can mute him, after and ONLY after you have made the appropriate warnings. The muted person is still in the power of driving... ;-)
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: - If somebody has reached the 80k limit then is in the power to participate in your RoC server, even if "this" will affect the amount of lps that you "all" will get at the end.
Kripke wrote: I have nothing to add. I saw some servers, which kicked 80k players, because of his rank (if they finished or not)... oh, I remember, yesterday was kicked "Winni" 3times on 12 Gods (but does not made pictures -.- ), but you are Laddermod and know, what "public" is and the meaning of it :thumbsup:
Well, if you dont have any pictures then your statement might considered as fault. All i can say is: i was in the 12 Gods on Sunday and i saw what it happened. Winnie had 80k but he was a very good driver. 12 Gods had most of the top10 ladder drivers, which as you all know, they dont want to drive with people who dont have at least 90k++++. Personally i turn off a "vote kick" which was in process (as you see i know what PUBLIC is ;-) ) and tried to stop all the fuss. Winnie just left after a couple of maps and i personally advised him that it would be wiser next time to have 90k+ whenever he wants to complete against top10 ladder drivers in ANY RoC server - simple as that... Noone mentioned to me anything about kicking Winnie !!
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: - If somebody has taken part in a race, BUT he is not driving, you are not in the position to kick / spec / or ban. Your RoC plugin "kick worst player(s)" will kick him/her at the end of the race.
Kripke wrote: said who? If a player not driving a race, because he is afk or something else, he blocks a slot for a driver, which want to drive. So I can not see a different, if somebody is afk or I kick him to spec.
Sry but this is not acceptable !! What about if he returns after you kick / spec him ? Will you be able to say anything ? What about if he has an internet disconnection ?
ЭΛ GAS〄尹मภô乌ジ® wrote: In any case, you can contact us (Laddermods) by IM explaining to us what have happened. Also you are advised to upload screenshots in this forum which will enforce the actions that have been taken against you.
:roflol:
Kripke wrote: Ok,
Zooz = inactive?
Buddl = still active in xfire?
TwoEagles = inactive?
Mat = inactive?
Basskid = going inactive?
you = ???
At the mo Basskid / Bueddl and me are active, so you can contact us...

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Re: Problem on Insanity.RoC 100k server

Post by GAS.Panos » 27 Dec 2011 16:01

Bueddl wrote:Hey again,

so first, I am not inactive^^

Second one: the roc rules don't handle the behaviours like chatting, there is no need for this. Those depend on the server owner!

I aggree to your interpretation of the "public" keyword, so, it is not allowed to force someone to spec for bad reason, also not to kick or ban him.
Baning is also allowed for very good reasons, BUT there is no rule defining the procedure when a player can be banned.

Just to make this clear , so that there won't be any misunderstandings ;-)

Cheers,
Bueddl
Firstly I'm glad to see you active :)

Secondly, I would like to explain what I do in my RoC.
Both lists (Black + Ban) are empty. We never ban people for any reason and we had never blacklisted anyone, until we "spot" some account with a familiar already blacklisted login... or had tried to cheat during RoC race. This had never happened since Feb 2009.
We always try to be friendly with anyone... and there were many times that we had "difficult" situations to solve.
Even if there are people who distract drivers on purpose or start bahaving badly, we mute temporarily (5mins) or permanently (up to 3hrs - RoC race) only for the RoC running that Sunday, instead of kicking or banning. Personally I strongly believe that is fair enough... as anyone can drive even if he has good or bad manners.

No matter what, the actions that you take in your RoC server will affect the reputation of your server itself.

But always try to be good and have fun all :)

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Re: Problem on Insanity.RoC 100k server

Post by Kripke » 27 Dec 2011 16:39

Like i said... Blacklisting is unacceptable for such reasons. You can Blacklist, if the player is listed as a cheater in Xymphs Official Mode Cheater... Or Ban people "temporarily" = 1 week
Nothing to add. I use only the jfreu tempban 24h^^
In any other reasons that you state, you can MUTE - simple as that ! I hope it is clear.
How many times have u seen for example Zooz to be afk ?? Did you kick him sometime ? What if i did that ? Would you kick me as well ? If yes, fair enough... BUT what if i had returned soon enough before the end of the map ? Would that be fair ?
If Zooz is afk, my autokick will kick him after 2 min, and I would kick you too (autokick of course :mrgreen: )
And I talk about players, where a player lost the connection and the server begins to lag, or players (not important which rank) are lags in the autoqueue, which can not drive but the queue try to put him in racemode
If you drive, then you can close chat bar, so you dont need to care what is going on during you are racing... If you dont and you are one of the admins then you can mute him, after and ONLY after you have made the appropriate warnings. The muted person is still in the power of driving...
nothing to add. But the muted person can change his nickname with bad content like porn links or something else. (I saw this only one time, of course, this happens not every day^^)
Well, if you dont have any pictures then your statement might considered as fault. All i can say is: i was in the 12 Gods on Sunday and i saw what it happened. Winnie had 80k but he was a very good driver. 12 Gods had most of the top10 ladder drivers, which as you all know, they dont want to drive with people who dont have at least 90k++++. Personally i turn off a "vote kick" which was in process (as you see i know what PUBLIC is ) and tried to stop all the fuss. Winnie just left after a couple of maps and i personally advised him that it would be wiser next time to have 90k+ whenever he wants to complete against top10 ladder drivers in ANY RoC server - simple as that... Noone mentioned to me anything about kicking Winnie !!
I never said, that you kicked Winnie, I only said that winnie was kicked of your server, and it seems like that you saw it^^ (and you explained the guys of your server thats not ok :thumbsup: ). I have nothing to add too.
Sry but this is not acceptable !! What about if he returns after you kick / spec him ? Will you be able to say anything ? What about if he has an internet disconnection ?
...?
It's not really important for me, if I kick or force a player to spec when somebody is afk, if he not chat/driving in a Checkpoint, the autoqueue will kick him.
And if he has lost the internet connection or tm froze, then will lag the server and you have to wait a lot time, --> for a player which lost the connection is this not really important anymore.

And now to "public" - we talk about roc servers and no ban and blacklisting. I'm sure you know that servers which 60k and higher have to be public too and some of this servers ban and blacklisting sometimes players too. You can tell me RoC server are "special" server, but public is still the same public like 60k/70k/80k/90k server. Public is for me, that everybody can drive, can join, can spectate and so on. There is no Password and it's not allowed to use the accsess plugin, where you can decide, which country can join or not. If a player make "****" on the server, where a hoster added a rule like "no advertising" or something like else, then have the player to accept it, if not, the admin on this server can deside, if he ignore/kick or (temp)ban him..

Cheers Kripke

Btw. I talked with cobra ingame on the other topic, because of this ban on papyves. I said him that "bad spirit" is still a bad reason for a ban, but I don't know what the banned player did on this server. But ignore a player is sometimes senseless, when he talks bad about something, if you can use /pm function. ^^
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Re: Problem on Insanity.RoC 100k server

Post by GAS.Panos » 30 Dec 2011 12:52

Kripke wrote:If Zooz is afk, my autokick will kick him after 2 min, and I would kick you too (autokick of course :mrgreen: )
I totally agree with autokick - but not with manual kick especially during race even if a player is afk for some probably "serious" reason or at the most extreme if he has 80k instead of 90k+++ which most top ladder drivers want to drive against.
Kripke wrote:I never said, that you kicked Winnie, I only said that winnie was kicked of your server, and it seems like that you saw it^^ (and you explained the guys of your server thats not ok :thumbsup: ). I have nothing to add too.
Yeap, i was in the server when the vote kick was in process and i turned it off. But this will not happen again, as vote kick will be inactive from now on. I didn't know that it was the 3rd or 4th time that this thing was going on, and nobody said anything to me about it, even Winnie.
Kripke wrote:It's not really important for me, if I kick or force a player to spec when somebody is afk, if he not chat/driving in a Checkpoint, the autoqueue will kick him.
And if he has lost the internet connection or tm froze, then will lag the server and you have to wait a lot time, --> for a player which lost the connection is this not really important anymore.
It would be important if that had happened to you, where you are in top5 ladder drivers and you were 1st in that race. You would do anything to return and try to save your place, wouldn't you ? I would !
Kripke wrote:And now to "public" - we talk about roc servers and no ban and blacklisting.
I'm not "totally" against kicking / banning or "official" blacklisting in RoC servers BUT only in extreme situations. After you have warned too many times, have muted already for 5-10 mins or even kick once or twice somebody in order to behave himself (being in spec mode of course). Even if after all these actions, continued to behave badly, I might have banned that person but temporarily.
Kripke wrote: I'm sure you know that servers which 60k and higher have to be public too and some of this servers ban and blacklisting sometimes players too. You can tell me RoC server are "special" server, but public is still the same public like 60k/70k/80k/90k server. Public is for me, that everybody can drive, can join, can spectate and so on. There is no Password and it's not allowed to use the accsess plugin, where you can decide, which country can join or not. If a player make "****" on the server, where a hoster added a rule like "no advertising" or something like else, then have the player to accept it, if not, the admin on this server can deside, if he ignore/kick or (temp)ban him..
Well, there were many times that people (owners of RoC servers) have come up to my RoC server and tried to persuade spectators to leave from mine and go to another. Personally i don't take that as an extreme situation in order to kick / ban / blacklist.
For any other Ladder server that might sound ok... but again you are free to do it, but this will affect your server, which will "probably" stay empty, if you destroy its reputation.
Kripke wrote:Btw. I talked with cobra ingame on the other topic, because of this ban on papyves. I said him that "bad spirit" is still a bad reason for a ban, but I don't know what the banned player did on this server. But ignore a player is sometimes senseless, when he talks bad about something, if you can use /pm function. ^^
Honestly i haven't heard anything about this incident, i will try to find out what happened and who was he.
If as a RoC admin had already warned many times, and the player still uses the /pm fuction after has been muted, i personally would considered this as inappropriate behaviour, ending in banning this person (temporarily).

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