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Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:08
by abgematzt
10 Euros is not the case. The Case is the too hard step they Nadeo goes. A soft cut of options of TMNF Players step by step to the stand it is now was the better way.

So are a lot of people pissed off.


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:08
by Amaterasu
aliasfred wrote:Hi,

my opinion is first you should limit the serverproviders only to Unitedaccs and 5 max instead of 10. So you can control the uncontrolled growth of servers. Just this can bring a lot of people to buy the game! And 10€ on amazon i think is not too much.

but still a bad decision..
this game is "old" and after all these years this harsh decision is simply stupid


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:09
by Amaterasu
abgematzt wrote:10 Euros is not the case. The Case is the too hard step they Nadeo goes. A soft cut of options of TMNF Players step by step to the stand it is now was the better way.

So are a lot of people pissed off.
true words..


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:11
by Flint

Our greatest problem isn't really financial.. it's.. operational. Would it be possible to implement a paying method that allowed us to use national credit cards, for example?

I'm not here to discuss if it's going to work or not, if it's right or wrong. We'll try to adapt to whatever Nadeo decides. We played this game for 5 years for free and some of us, like myself for example, travelled the world for free because of it. Who am I to judge considering the scenario we have now.

I just need a way to get brazilian players back on track. If we have to pay, so be it. We just need to figure out how to do it at the moment.



Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:12
by VizlaN
Wow.. I mean, just.. I was at a loss of words for a few sec when I heard this ingame, then went into a rage for the community.

Since the costs of running your servers are so high, why don't you strip out the non-essentials that suck bandwith and go for the basics instead of forcing such a solution on the community that will surely cripple it if not kill it ? Or is that the point of this, cripple the free community prior to the launch ?

Bad move, please fire the person that came up with this idea, get back around the table and figure out something else. Steam-sale, D2D and other providers, GS campaign or similar.

edit: I apparently read a bit fast there, sorry flint :)


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:16
by abgematzt
VizlaN wrote:...
Flint: Don't even propose a pay-per-month service. Thats not a solution and WILL kill the game.

PPM? Thats the baddest Idea i ever heared of this game. That isnt WOW or AION... were are Trackmaniacs!


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:18
by dazzy65
i think Nadeo should bite the Bullet on this & Do Such a good Job on Developing TM2 & put stadium on TM2 & use The profits from TM2 & all other games nadeo sell to host this & learn from this on future releases,
I,E, pay for the game while it is still new & not when it is 2 years old & a new TM out some time next year!!


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:19
by Flint
I never suggested that. What I meant was, we cannot buy the game online if we don't have international credit cards.

Maybe they could find an alternative for it using Paypal, Pagseguro, or any other site that allowed us to use national credit cards, bank cards, whatever.


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:21
by abgematzt
@ Flint:

Ah ok.. sorry, my mistake. Wrong understand and to less english lessons produce that brainfart :D


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:28
by Zooz
Florent wrote:
Zooz wrote:
w1lla wrote:if using a nations account you can convert that account to an united account and still keep the login.
Yes, but this is not very clearly communicated, as are some other things... For example, people may just want to buy full TMNF, so why do they have to buy TMUF? It is confusing.
if you have some time, please try to connect with a free account, and tell me if there is something that can be greatly improved (we tried to explain it ingame)
Ok, I tried it. Some things I noticed:

- Nothing about the Favouriting thing
- If you try to go to a regular server you just get a link to, a specific purchase or explanation page would be much easier
- Generic "too many specs" and "enter pass" failure messages when you try to join them (ok this probably can't be avoided for technical reasons)
- The "freezone" and "upgrade" info links don't work

Not directly a communication problem, but a lot of the creativity and competition that makes TM attractive is now hidden from free players. All servers are in the same mode, for example, you only see that there are others if you scroll many pages on.

It's very difficult to make a good judgement on this with the missing info. This is where the stuff about upgrading or purchasing would probably be. The only available redirection is to the front page, which doesn't actually have anything on purchasing TMU, only on downloading TMN. The impression it currently gives is that you need to purchase a different game to be able to access all of the content of this game (TMNF), which doesn't make a lot of sense.

Also, while this might work for new players who haven't heard about United Forever before, most of the affected players have been around for longer, and already have some prior knowledge of all these things. They are the most likely to get confused by these changes, since the game doesn't clearly explain how and why things are different, and why people with no interest in the other envs would have to buy TMU anyway.
edit: Here's an example of this type of confusion:


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:29
by Flint
There's just one thing worse than not having money... is not to be able to spend it =P

If those Fullgames magazines were still for sale here I'd buy tons of them.


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:33
by Div
What about sponsors? If players can only rent servers at Nadeo they might also get sponsor. These sponsors can rent 'loading screens'. So everytime a track is ended and the next is loading you see a nice computer with a good price from for example dell. Nadeo earns its money by the rent of servers and they also earn money by the sponsoring.
And then you can also look further that you companies can sponser all servers in for example Holland, or Germany, or Europe.


Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:35
by Deadlock
Guess TMNF actually stands for TrackMania Not Forever


Posted: 10 Dec 2010 00:00
by azkme
I guess this is game over?

I actually thought about purchasing TM:U when the price would drop (which never happened), but even when I have a TM:U account, 2 out of 3 people I know ingame won't be able to play with me anymore.

It's a sad thing how this comes to an end!

This is raping a lot of clans out there, including mine :!: :(


Posted: 10 Dec 2010 00:07
by Cassis
Hey all!
I think this decision is REALLY bad Florent, and I'm gonna list what you killing/losing doing this :

  • 1°A big number of teams
    2°A big number of competitions
    3°A big number of players
    4°Potential TM2 Players

Basicly, you are just ruining the community with this stupid thing, and, correct me if I am wrong, but you didn't even bother to install a record system on servers, witch is what many players play for.

Oh, and this system will not make players buy tmuf ^^.

I have TMUF, so I shouldn't really care, but doing this, you are destroyng tm community.

It's the beginning of an end :cry: