TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by occam » 15 Nov 2008 15:47

Florent wrote:you are not alone ^_^

http://www.trackmania.cn/thread-2911-1-1.html
If the Chinese Trackmaniacs are voting anything like Chinese artists play the drums (Olympic Opening Ceremony :->) the other games are busted :->>.

While i might guess the meaning in the French Forum (with a little luck) even tons of luck won't help me with the Chinese forum. For all those Trackmaniacs, whose Mandarin is rusty too:
translate.google.com -- > trackmania.cn/thread-2911-1-1.html
 

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Dec » 15 Nov 2008 15:59

Haha indeed, TM is a winner if Chinese vote :roflol:

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Atze-Peng » 16 Nov 2008 00:59

TaG]Nemesis wrote:i agree with frosty, TMN came before TMU, TMN was the origanal and if it had not been so sucessful (cant spll tht word) then TMU would probably never have been created.. the stadium enviroment is the most perfectly balanced of all the others and by far the most skillful IMO.

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First of all, Nadeo stated already, that they planned to make just one game from the beginning, but wasnt able due to several problems. The idea of TMN surely came after the TMU idea. It just was released before. Also TMN is meant to be advertisement for TMU. I highly doubt Nadeo is able to get lots of money due to TMN (officials can correct me here :P ).

Also why should the stadiumenvironment be the most balanced? lol. All environments in Trackmania are balanced, because every car on the environment is the same. And don't tell me now its possible to drive it with keys. Take a look at Life for Speed. They give a **** about Keyboarddrivers. You're pretty much f*cked there without Joystick/Wheel.

Also Stadium got to much bugs in my opinion (not as much as Snow, but still to much :P). I'd choose, if I'd have to choose an environment, which got the less bugs and still is challenging.(while it sucks to just choose 1 environment)
This would be Island or Bay in my opinion, because its pretty much about speedcontrol and the right feeling with steering.
Rally would be to similar to Island for me and Desert is a little to easy in relation to Island and Bay.

Still the best solution would be choosing TMU. You just would need to stock up the groups to 6 or 8 players and 1 1/4h per round would be fine, because there are less rounds with bigger groups. This shouldnt be much of a problem and I'm sure there are other solutions, too.

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Frostbeule » 16 Nov 2008 01:07

i feel like i have to defend myself. I do not agree with Nemesis that if TMN wasn't such a huge success, TMU would've never been created. Nadeo wants to earn some friggin' cash on what they're doing obviously.

as for the other stuff, i still have the opinion that Stadium should be (and probably will be) the only environment being used. it's the solution that makes most sense, and it's the environment that Nadeo wants to be used at competitions like WCG, since it indeed was developed especially for esport, and thus is the most attractive environment for WCG to use.

as for bugs... well, you could just avoid them ;)

and to zooz: maybe 'pointless' is a better word

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Atze-Peng » 16 Nov 2008 10:30

Frostbeule wrote: as for bugs... well, you could just avoid them ;)
There are enough spots, where you can't avoid Rammsteinbugs, when you want to get as close as possible to the limit :|

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Frostbeule » 16 Nov 2008 11:53

yes i agree. and i dont like it either

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Zooz » 16 Nov 2008 11:54

Atze-Peng wrote: There are enough spots, where you can't avoid Rammsteinbugs, when you want to get as close as possible to the limit :|
Then don't do that unless it's really needed in the round you're driving. I'm sure Frost knows what he's talking about, anyway ^^
Stadium is much like Snow, you can often evade or decrease the impact of the bugs, it's just harder (for me anyway, but i play more snow than stadium) ^^

Also, I believe we are offtopic... :lol:

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Atze-Peng » 16 Nov 2008 19:35

Zooz wrote:
Atze-Peng wrote: There are enough spots, where you can't avoid Rammsteinbugs, when you want to get as close as possible to the limit :|
Then don't do that unless it's really needed in the round you're driving. I'm sure Frost knows what he's talking about, anyway ^^
Stadium is much like Snow, you can often evade or decrease the impact of the bugs, it's just harder (for me anyway, but i play more snow than stadium) ^^
But he should know it the best, that at a high niveau its often necessary to do those risks, especially when you did a little mistaker earlier which cost you 0,2-0,3 sec and you want to get it back.

Timetravel machine would be easier of course but I don't own one ^^

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Cibermix » 17 Nov 2008 11:33

i still have the opinion that Stadium should be (and probably will be) the only environment being used
It's very boring to look Stadium everytimes. Take another environement give some fresh for all, players and spectators. But I think you can't understand this opinion Frostbeule. You are a PGM and you won't play another environments because you don't know them. :pil :lovetm

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Frostbeule » 17 Nov 2008 13:53

well maybe you can't understand that many people don't think it's boring to just watch stadium. and that maybe just 1 game/environment is enough. It's like counter strike players all of a sudden have to play a call of duty game aswell.

and yes i have played the other environments. maybe not as much as you have, but it was still enough for me.

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Cibermix » 17 Nov 2008 14:39

well maybe you can't understand that many people don't think it's boring to just watch stadium.
Many people ? I think there are just TMN players...
It's like counter strike players all of a sudden have to play a call of duty game aswell.
Here you are right and not, I'm in the group that who lose interest in the ESWC. I find it's very bad to play on these olds games since a long time !
We are in 2008 and we playing CS 1.6 again. After players wondered why players who don't understand electronic sports think they are "nolife" or don't understand the situation...
It's why ESWC put some new games now ! You want a prehistoric competition ? It's electronic competion.
Electronic evolve. So the competition should evolve too.
Sorry for my english, it's difficult for me to explain what I want to say you.
and yes i have played the other environments. maybe not as much as you have, but it was still enough for me.
Ok you know other environements. But you surely don't win 12 000 Dollars on them, it's that what I would say. :gobananas:

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Frostbeule » 17 Nov 2008 15:58

Many people ? I think there are just TMN players...
and that is not alot of people?
Here you are right and not, I'm in the group that who lose interest in the ESWC. I find it's very bad to play on these olds games since a long time !
We are in 2008 and we playing CS 1.6 again. After players wondered why players who don't understand electronic sports think they are "nolife" or don't understand the situation...
It's why ESWC put some new games now ! You want a prehistoric competition ? It's electronic competion.
Electronic evolve. So the competition should evolve too.
Sorry for my english, it's difficult for me to explain what I want to say you.
wait a minute... you don't want old games to be used, but you still want all the environments in Trackmania to be used. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Stadium the newest environment? and aren't all the other environments old? according to this you should agree with me!
Ok you know other environements. But you surely don't win 12 000 Dollars on them, it's that what I would say. :gobananas:
your point being?

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Cibermix » 17 Nov 2008 16:26

but isn't Stadium the newest environment? and aren't all the other environments old? according to this you should agree with me!

Yes, I think to this after my post, but now TMO environments is updated and we can considered that seven environments are balanced. According to these two games TMUF is better than TMNF (TMUF contain TMNF), and it's bad to take 1/7 of the game. You are right TMUF isn't really newest but better !

TMUF should be more entertaining for the "modern" electronic sport.

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by jamie_macdonald » 17 Nov 2008 17:08

Well i voted for TMUF of course ...

..i however firmly believe it should not "just" be stadium (allthough alot of nations specialists might disagree (wonder why lol).

I think its high time the other environments were bought into the "balance" and treated with some kudos just as stadium is (purely because its free i think).

Look forward to seeing some real good all rounders (across more than jsut one enviro) and really really hope tmuf gets chosen.

Would be awesome to see cmc, ystp, screwed, lsd, wake and so-on fight it out in a big public arena ... rather than jsut specialists of only 1/7th of the game.

Obvioulsy stadium is cool and newer but now would be nice to see some good united publicity and entry into these games would do nadeo (and there sales) wonders ... so im 100% up for supporting this.

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Re: TMUF on WCG 2009?! It's possible guys!

Post by Lolomax » 17 Nov 2008 18:19

Frostbeule wrote: wait a minute... you don't want old games to be used, but you still want all the environments in Trackmania to be used. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Stadium the newest environment? and aren't all the other environments old? according to this you should agree with me!
Old environments have never been used for ESWC, and as Cib said, they have been updated recently (graphics & blocks). Therefore, we can consider them as "new", as they have never been a part of the ESWC scene.
Frostbeule wrote:
Cibermix wrote:Ok you know other environements. But you surely don't win 12 000 Dollars on them, it's that what I would say. :gobananas:
your point being?
His point being: you don't want the other environments to be played because you either really believe they are bad or you just think you wouldn't win on them.




Moroever, the gap between each very good Stadium players' level is getting closer and closer. In a few time, in my opinion, there will be about 20 or 30 TMN players who will reach the same level (the highest there could be), and the ESWC will only depend on factors like stress, luck, etc... instead of pure driving.

PS: No offense, I'm not contesting the fact you totally dominated the last ESWC final.

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